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As he prepares to move into a new home in a more humid climate, a homeowner looks for ways to minimize the risk of mold

Posted on Oct 10 2016 by Scott Gibson

C. Clark is preparing to move from a dry region to Lady's Island, South Carolina, an area with a warm, humid climate that is the mirror opposite of the climate in Clark's former home. Clark is highly allergic to mold, and that has him thinking about ventilation, insulation, and his HVAC(Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning). Collectively, the mechanical systems that heat, ventilate, and cool a building. system.

"I have many questions about HVAC, insulation and ventilation, but will just start with a few," he writes in a Q&A post at GreenBuildingAdvisor. "If we decide on an exhaust-only system for a new-build home, does also trying to button up the envelope tight work with that type of ventilation?"

He expects to insulate the attic floor with blown-in fiberglass because using spray foam would be too expensive. If he does not insulate at the roof, should he install a radiant barrier to keep attic temperatures down?

"I am very concerned about building in a humid climate [Climate Zone 3], because we are very allergic to mold (bed-ridden allergic for me), so preventing condensation and the mold that comes with it are our primary concern, even over energy efficiency," he writes. "I read the cellulose insulationThermal insulation made from recycled newspaper or other wastepaper; often treated with borates for fire and insect protection. can trap moisture, which steered me away from it and to fiberglass. If any condensation build up can happen in attic, I don't want cellulose to be a mold culture."

He anticipates that ductwork will be located in the attic because his builder has warned that building chases for them inside the building envelopeExterior components of a house that provide protection from colder (and warmer) outdoor temperatures and precipitation; includes the house foundation, framed exterior walls, roof or ceiling, and insulation, and air sealing materials. would be too expensive. As a result, he will be looking for the best way to insulate the ducts.

Those are among the issues for this Q&A Spotlight.

Will exhaust-only ventilation work?

One of Clark's first questions is whether exhaust-only ventilation can be effective. He asks, "Does trying to button up the envelope tight work with that type of ventilation system?" GBAGreenBuildingAdvisor.com senior editor Martin Holladay assures him that sealing air leaks always makes sense.

"It's always important to try to make your envelope as airtight as possible," Holladay says. "Striving for airtightness pays many dividends: lower energy bills, increased comfort, reduced chances of moisture problems in walls and ceilings, and better control of ventilation systems."

Even when a builder makes a new house as tight as possible, there are typically enough cracks and gaps to supply replacement air when an exhaust-only ventilation system is installed. That's because exhaust-only systems don't move that much air — 60 to 120 cubic feet per minute. It would be different if the house were tight enough to meet the PassivhausA residential building construction standard requiring very low levels of air leakage, very high levels of insulation, and windows with a very low U-factor. Developed in the early 1990s by Bo Adamson and Wolfgang Feist, the standard is now promoted by the Passivhaus Institut in Darmstadt, Germany. To meet the standard, a home must have an infiltration rate no greater than 0.60 AC/H @ 50 pascals, a maximum annual heating energy use of 15 kWh per square meter (4,755 Btu per square foot), a maximum annual cooling energy use of 15 kWh per square meter (1.39 kWh per square foot), and maximum source energy use for all purposes of 120 kWh per square meter (11.1 kWh per square foot). The standard recommends, but does not require, a maximum design heating load of 10 W per square meter and windows with a maximum U-factor of 0.14. The Passivhaus standard was developed for buildings in central and northern Europe; efforts are underway to clarify the best techniques to achieve the standard for buildings in hot climates. standard of 0.6 air changes per hour at a pressure difference of 50 pascals. In that case, he adds, passive air inlets might be needed.

Another consideration, however, is Clark's choice of fiberglass insulation in the attic, says Dana Dorsett. Cellulose would be a better choice.

"If the air leakage supplying the ventilation air is coming through the ceiling, blown fiberglass can become a potential indoor air quality problem due to airborne glass particulates," Dorsett says. "Cellulose is a generally better choice for open-blown attic insulation for several reasons, including that one. Fiberglass is somewhat translucent to infrared radiation coming off a hot roof deck, absorbing the energy an inch or so below the top surface. This makes the temperature an inch into the fiberglass layer hotter than the attic air, so you're insulating against a slightly higher temperature with slightly less insulation.

"Cellulose is opaque to IR," Dorsett continues, "and the warmest level will be at the surface, close to the attic air temperature. Cellulose is also more air retardant, limiting the volume of air moving through any leaks in the ceiling plane more effectively."

As Clark's question about whether he needs a radiant barrier, the answer is no — as long as he has figured out how to move the attic ductwork indoors. Instead, Holladay tells him, install a generous layer of insulation on the attic floor and take the money he would have spent on a radiant barrier to buy more insulation. "You'll get more bang for your buck that way," he adds.

Keep the ducts out of the attic

One troubling detail of Clark's plan is to keep heating and air conditioning ducts in the attic because of the presumed cost of keeping them inside the thermal envelope of the house, as his builder has warned.

But roof trusses with horizontal chases for utilities "are not a huge cost adder," Dorsett tells him, and mechanical systems also might be ductless.

"Putting the mechanicals in the attic is (almost) universally a mistake," he says, "making it harder to air-seal, and adding to both the heating and cooling loads."

This is a caution Holladay repeats. "It pains me to hear of a homeowner designing a new house with ducts in the attic," he adds. "Now is the time when you can fix this problem inexpensively — before it is too late! This detail really, really matters."

Among the options Holladay suggests are a crawl-space foundation, a basement foundation, 9-foot ceilings with duct chases, open-web floor trusses that can accommodate ducts, or, as Dorsett had suggested, ductless minisplits for heating and cooling.

“If your builder doesn't understand this basic issue,” he says, “It may be time to look for a different builder.”

What about the added humidity?

Jon R isn't so sure an exhaust-only ventilation strategy is a good idea, given the high humidity in the area and the likelihood that Clark will be using air conditioning in warm weather.

"You want to avoid mold but are proposing to pull warm, humid air into your walls and cool it down (when the AC is on)?" he asks. "When the AC is on, maintain the house at a slight positive pressure. All incoming ventilation air should be run through a filter (not the walls). Use a dehumidifier and humidistat at all times to keep the interior dry."

Holladay doesn't think it's going to be a problem. "Unlike Jon," he writes, "I don't think that an exhaust-only ventilation system will cause problems, as long as your house has a well-designed heating and cooling system. The use of any ventilation system should be minimized during hot, humid weather, of course — you want just enough ventilation to be comfortable and avoid odors."

Nor does Holladay think a dehumidifier and humidistat must run at all times. In most cases, he says, the air conditioner should keep the interior comfortable. In humid weather and swing seasons, when the air conditioner doesn't run as much, a dehumidifier may be necessary. But not all the time.

Insulating the ducts

In Clark's original scenario, with ducts in an unconditioned attic, the question is how to insulate them effectively. Can flexible ducts be insulated with spray foam? Clark asks. Would he be better off with rigid ducts?

There are many types of insulated flex duct, Holladay replies. Clark should chose ducts that are insulated to R-8, not R-4 or R-6. Seams should be carefully sealed, and the ducts should be installed carefully with short, straight runs that are well supported.

"In an attic with trusses, it's usually impossible to install the flex duct on top of the drywall," Holladay tells him. "The flex duct ends up suspended from hangers, because the duct runs go 90 degrees to the trusses. That makes it difficult to insulate the ducts with spray foam.

"If you can install some type of rigid foam support under the flex ducts that are 90 degrees to the trusses, that will make it easier to install the spray foam," he continues. "If you can do that, and if you have a spray foam installer who is willing to add enough R-valueMeasure of resistance to heat flow; the higher the R-value, the lower the heat loss. The inverse of U-factor. to the ducts to approach the thickness of your attic floor insulation, you'll have an excellent installation."

Of course, he adds, all of this may be such a hassle it will get Clark to wonder why he didn't just keep the ducts indoors in the first place.

The vapor barrier question

Clark wonders also about the need for a vapor barrier in a hot, humid climate. Should one, he asks, be installed directly behind the drywall?

No, Holladay says, that would be a bad idea, especially in that climate and especially if he plans on running an air conditioner. The reason? A vapor barrier becomes a condensing surface for moisture. If the polyethylene is located behind the drywall, that's where condensation can collect, especially when the polyethylene is cooled by the air conditioning system.

Lady's Island is fairly well balanced between heating and cooling, adds Dorsett. Whether Clark frames the house with 2x4s or 2x6s, if the walls have R-20 insulation, a true vapor barrier anywhere in the wall would be on the "wrong" side of the stackup for much of the year.

"Using plywood or OSB sheathingMaterial, usually plywood or oriented strand board (OSB), but sometimes wooden boards, installed on the exterior of wall studs, rafters, or roof trusses; siding or roofing installed on the sheathing—sometimes over strapping to create a rainscreen. as the exterior vapor retarder (typically 1-5 perms, depending on moisture content) and standard latex paint on airtight wallboard (3-5 perms, typically), the house would be able to dry at reasonable rates seasonally in either direction, without letting too much moisture in via vapor diffusionMovement of water vapor through a material; water vapor can diffuse through even solid materials if the permeability is high enough. , Dorsett says "The only time it needs more than that is if it has masonry, brick, or stucco on the exterior, which is a special case."

Our expert's opinion

Here's what GBA technical director Peter Yost has to add:

First things first: As usual, Martin Holladay and the devoted crew have provided sound advice on mechanical ventilation and vapor barrier questions. Now, my key points:

For any home in any climate to be considered high-performance, a continuous air barrier is key, and is as important as, if not more important than, a continuous thermal barrier. No matter what mechanical ventilation system and duct location you choose, make sure that your builder knows how to align and achieve a continuous air barrier from rim to ridge. This is key to both energy efficiency and IAQIndoor air quality. Healthfulness of an interior environment; IAQ is affected by such factors as moisture and mold, emissions of volatile organic compounds from paints and finishes, formaldehyde emissions from cabinets, and ventilation effectiveness..

And if I had serious air quality questions because of particular health concerns, I would insist on HVAC duct and equipment configuration in this order:

  • Best approach: All ducts and equipment in conditioned spaceInsulated, air-sealed part of a building that is actively heated and/or cooled for occupant comfort. . Making room for equipment and ducts in conditioned space is a design issue, and if a builder insists that this approach is “too expensive,” the builder is deciding for you what your indoor air quality priorities are. The best way to ensure balanced supply and return is to include all equipment inside the conditioned space of the home, period. Here's the best resource on that issue.
  • Next-best approach: A “cathedralized attic” for HVAC ducts and equipment. If you can’t find room for ducts in the space below the attic-ceiling line, then move your air and thermal barrier up to the roofline. This places all HVAC stuff in a semi-conditioned space. With this approach, you will not be introducing IAQ-related pressure problems caused by ducts leaking outside of the conditioned space boundary. There's more on this approach here and here.
  • Next-next-best approach: In a dry climate, consider “attic duct-burying.” If better options can't be used, follow this approach for HVAC ducts and equipment in unconditioned attics. Note that this approach is not recommended in humid or marine climates because of the risk of condensation on ducts during the summer.

And, in any of these configurations, continuous air and thermal barriers are much more important and effective than attic radiant barriers. That said, the effectiveness of radiant barriers in hot climates has been well documented, and can be seen in full context here.


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Oct 10, 2016 9:32 AM ET

Edited Oct 10, 2016 11:03 AM ET.

I have empathy for C Clark as I believe he was working with
by John Clark

a tract builder. When they don't want to do something they just triple the price.

IMO an interesting topic to blog about would be suggestions on how to work with tract builders. I think it's important since they build an overwhelming majority of the homes in the U.S.


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Oct 10, 2016 10:57 AM ET

Edited Oct 10, 2016 11:00 AM ET.

Chris M
by Malcolm Taylor

That would probably be a really helpful topic. Understanding where they are coming from might also occasion more sympathy for their approach.

Unlike the custom builders used by most clients of the houses featured here, tract builders work on a very tight margin. Their profits come from volume, which understandably makes them wary of innovation. When they hear "It only costs 10% more to build more energy efficiently" they now see a loss on the project.

If you can't get it at the lumberyard they aren't interested. They don't source things from small specialty suppliers and never from the internet. That is due to warranty concerns, scheduling and the potential problems integrating the new products.

Their experience is that innovation should come from large manufacturers or suppliers who create a demand in their customer base. These innovations concern largely cosmetic changes - styles of kitchen or front facades. They don't see their own attempts at innovation rewarded.

They are very closely in tune with their potential client base. They share their values and get positive reinforcement for what they build both from their clients and how similar the products of other builders in their subdivisions are. Among their circle there is no perceived problem with the way they build, and they see no reason to change.

The best path to change the way tract houses are built is the building code. Tract builders bridle at the cost of any new requirements, but as long as there is a level playing field they don't complain too much.


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Oct 10, 2016 8:41 PM ET

Energy code compliance loopholes?
by andrew c

Malcolm,
I also empathize with C Clark, and I think you've got a good explanation for why production builders are slow to change. And I agree that better building codes and enforcement are the answer. My frustration in talking with builders even after Michigan adopted 2015 IECC (with modifications) is that the interpretations of the UA Alternative or Simulated Performance energy code compliance paths allow them to continue what they've been doing without any change. My impression is that these alternative paths are loopholes.


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Oct 10, 2016 9:22 PM ET

Andrew,
by Malcolm Taylor

I'm not that familiar with US codes. You are no doubt right.

My rather random list of production builder's attributes (and prescription for better codes) didn't really offer any useful help to someone like C.Clark who is working with one. Perhaps the best advice would be: if you can avoid it, don't.


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Oct 11, 2016 4:52 AM ET

Edited Oct 11, 2016 4:53 AM ET.

Energy code loopholes and advice to homeowners
by Martin Holladay

Andrew C.,
You are correct -- as states have begun adopting the 2015 IECC, they have been amending the code to raise the ERI target numbers. The ERI is roughly equivalent to the HERS Index (with low numbers = good and high numbers = bad), so raising the ERI target numbers means that states are making the 2015 code less stringent that the code writers intended. I will be writing an upcoming article on this topic.

Here's my advice to GBA readers who want to find a local builder who understands energy issues: contact local energy raters (professionals certified by RESNET or BPI -- check their web sites for local listings) and ask them to name local builders who care about these issues. Or contact an energy agency near where you are building and ask for advice. I don't know who to call in South Carolina, but I would start with a phone call to Advanced Energy in North Carolina (919-857-9000). State your frustration with local builders and ask for advice on contacting a builder in South Carolina who understands home performance.


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Oct 11, 2016 1:52 PM ET

Edited Oct 11, 2016 1:53 PM ET.

Energy Star website offers a list of builders/raters
by John Clark

This might be as helpful since cost to build was a high priority.

https://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=new_homes_partners.showS...


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Oct 13, 2016 3:29 PM ET

Lowest hanging fruit
by James Morgan

Mr. Clark is planning to build in a relatively mild but humid climate and his overriding concern is avoiding mold conditions. As he has a limited budget and a builder inexperienced in high performance homes I respectfully suggest that the attic distribution ductwork while imperfect is not critical to this issue. The most common and likely source for condensation and mold contamination that we find in the humid southeast is from leaky ductwork in a ventilated crawl space, and by far the most direct route to curing such a deficiency is to encapsulate that crawl space. This is now a straightforward and well documented technology, easily priced, which even tract builders have started to recognize as standard practice. Mr. Clark's attic ductwork may add a little to his power bill but it won't ruin his health. The crawlspace is where he needs to spend his upgrade budget.


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