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Final insulation questions for wall and attic

user-2423385 | Posted in Energy Efficiency and Durability on

Ok…I’m getting ready to finish up insulating my interior walls and my attic.

Walls:
I have built out a modified mooney style wall. I have place 3″ XPS into the cavity spaces and will be putting insulation webbing and blowing in cellulose to finish out the 2.5 or so inches between the XPS and the webbing. When the wall is complete before my question is answered the walls consist of: (from the inside out) Insulation webbing/2.5 cellulose/3″XPS foam sprayed gaps/1×8″ TNG sheathing/Original siding from early 1900’s. I will be residing with either cedar or some fibre cement style siding in the future.

My questions on this:

1.Do I need any type of additional barrier between the webbing and the drywall?
2. Is it a problem to add a layer of foam to the outside of the wall before I put on a house wrap?

Ceiling/Attic:

I have decided to simply blow in about R55-60 above my ceiling in the attic with an 2″ air space for ventilation from the soffits to the peak.

My questions on this:

1: Can I add 1″ foam to the underside of the joists and attach drywall directly through the foam or would I need furring strips (If so I will skip this)?
2″ Do I need some sort of vapor barrier with either option: foam or just drywall and insulation?

thanks much you guys are great!!

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  1. GBA Editor
    Martin Holladay | | #1

    Geoffrey,
    You forgot to tell us your location or climate zone.

    Q. "Do I need any type of additional barrier between the webbing and the drywall?"

    A. No. But you need to pay attention to airtightness when you install the drywall.

    Q. "Is it a problem to add a layer of foam to the outside of the wall before I put on a housewrap?"

    A. I usually advise people to choose just one place to put their foam insulation, and to avoid sandwiching wooden components between foam layers. If you were planning to install rigid foam on the exterior side of your wall sheathing, it would have been better not to insulate with rigid foam between your studs. Cellulose would have been fine there.

    In general, taking perfectly good rigid foam and cutting it into narrow strips to insert between framing members is usually a bad idea. It's always better to install foam as a continuous, uninterrupted layer.

    In your case, it sounds like it's too late. You can probably install more rigid foam on the exterior of your house, as long as you do the work in very dry, sunny weather -- you don't want to trap any moisture in your wall -- and as long as you do an impeccable job with your wall flashing. But don't make the same mistake again, OK?

    Q. "Can I add 1 inch foam to the underside of the [ceiling] joists and attach drywall directly through the foam or would I need furring strips (If so I will skip this)?"

    A. It's best if you can install furring strips. But if your ceiling height can't easily accommodate the extra 3/4 inch, you can skip the furring strips. You'll find it challenging to screw the drywall through the foam, but the work is possible.

    Q. "Do I need some sort of vapor barrier with either option: foam or just drywall and insulation?"

    A. No, you don't need an additional vapor barrier (although some types of rigid foam amount to a vapor barrier). As with your walls, the important step is to pay attention to air sealing.

  2. user-2423385 | | #2

    The XPS insulation I got for less than R-13 fiberglass and was already in 16" pieces right from the factory so I didn't cut it. I wanted to put R-1 pink foam on the outside to make a smoother surface as I will be putting the house wrap over ancient siding (actually a neighbor just asked to buy some for his restoration...so there will be a very little less :) but no big deal to leave it out.

    Another question...I am installing a small amount of recessed lights (IC type) in the ceiling. I noticed there are a few small gaps where the wires enter the can even though it is rated as airtight. Can I put some caulk in those gaps or would it be wiser to simply build small enclosures around them. Thanks

    BTW..I'm in Wisconsin..north eastern. Are there any good links to Air sealing techniques?

    thanks

  3. GBA Editor
    Martin Holladay | | #3

    Geoffrey,
    Yes, you can seal the holes where the wires penetrate the recessed can housing. But it would be even better if you didn't install any recessed cans at all in your insulated ceiling. For more information on recessed can lights, see Recessed Can Lights.

    Here are some links to articles about air sealing:

    Air Sealing an Attic

    Airtight Wall and Roof Sheathing

    Air Sealing With Sprayable Caulk

    Questions and Answers About Air Barriers

    Getting the Biggest Bang for Your Air-Sealing Buck

    New Air Sealing Requirements in the 2009 International Residential Code

    Energy Upgrades for Beginners

    Air-Sealing a Basement

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