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Using closed-cell foam in a double stud wall

joepeas | Posted in Energy Efficiency and Durability on

Joe St Denis

We live in north Central Alberta, zone 7-8. We want to build a 1 1/2 story house with a walk-in basement. Hillside home on a lake lot with west, north, and part of south basement wall open.

I have spent hours reading on how to best insulate walls and ceilings (which I find can be and has been challenging). After reading many articles I was planning to build a double stud wall using 1/2 inch plywood on the inside stud walls which we could cover later with wood or thin gyprock. Use scissor trusts for a cathedral ceiling, also lined on the inside with plywood.

Then to solve many problems insulate both from the outside with closed-cell foam to within one inch of the surface to allow for venting cover with a rainscreen and install siding and metal roofing.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

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  1. joepeas | | #1

    Also it would solve any air sealing problems,not require an air barrier. The only additional sealing concerns would be doors, windows and utilities.

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    Martin Holladay | | #2

    Joe,
    Your suggested approach would work. It has two disadvantages:

    1. It is expensive. The main reason that builders choose to build double-stud walls is so that they can use an inexpensive and environmentally friendly insulation (cellulose).

    2. Closed-cell spray foam uses a blowing agent with a high global warming potential; that's why green builders try to minimize its use.

    A house with double-stud walls and scissors trusses can have wall and ceiling cavities that are as thick as you want, easily accommodating almost any thickness of cellulose insulation.

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    Dana Dorsett | | #3

    Putting half-inch OSB, detailed as an air barrier on the exterior side of the inner studs, sheathing the exterior with half-inch CDX and doing it all of the insulation with cellulose or blown fiberglass makes for a much cheaper, greener and more resilient assembly. The OSB would always be above the dew point of the conditioned space air, and when dry has a vapor permeance nearly as low as code demands for interior vapor barriers in Canada. When it's moisture content rises, so does it's permeance, but in a fairly linear fashion. CDX has a slightly higher vapor permeance than OSB, but becomes quite a bit more vapor open than OSB when wet, so as long as the siding is rainscreened it will reliably pass through any moisture that gets by the OSB.

    This is a fairly common stackup for PassiveHouse & PassivHaus designs that makes smarter use of the lower vapor permenace of OSB relative to plywood. Both are variable-permeance "smart" vapor retarders, but OSB is more vapor tight than plywood, making it a better choice as the interior vapor retarder for a plywood-sheathed assembly.

    Putting the OSB on the interior side of the interior studs just under the gypsum would work too, but it would have many more electrical & plumbing penetrations to air seal. Whether it's worth the extra trouble of putting it on the exterior side of the interior studs to gain the long-term and more reliable air-tightness is up to you.

    Cheaper than OSB would be to install a membrane type smart vapor retarder (Intello, MemBrain, etc.) directly under the gypsum, or on the exterior side of the interior studs (if you can figure out a good way to install it there in an air-tight fashion.)

  4. joepeas | | #4

    Thanks for the advise. I will re consider and look at other options.

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