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Has anyone ever seen a span table for old ACTUAL dimension floor joists?

aalubeck4 | Posted in GBA Pro Help on

I’m constantly working with 80-100 year old ACTUAL dimension pine floor joists. 2×8 are actually 2×8, the 2x10s actual 2x10s.

Compared to their slimmer decendants, these beefier joists can certainly carry more weight over longer spans. The problem is, inspectors (and many structural engineers, sadly) treat these as nominal framing.

I’ve never seen even a meager attempt at a span table for actual size lumber. I realize that without a structural stamp, its hard to tell the exact attributes of such wood. Still, an actual dimension lumber span table would be useful in planning which floors are sufficient for modern loads, and which are not.

Has any one seen such a span table? if so, please forward.

Cheers,
Aaron

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  1. GBA Editor
    Martin Holladay | | #1

    Aaron,

    I'm not an engineer, but I found this while Web surfing:

    "A [planed] 2x8 is actually only 1.5 x 7.25 inches. If you have full-dimension lumber it is about 1.33 times stronger by being 2 inches instead of 1.5 inches (goes directly with thickness), and about 1.34 times for being 8 inches vs. 7.25 (goes as the cube of height)." — http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/oldhouse/msg1021090512629.html

    I can't vouch for the information, but I'm providing it for what it's worth. Engineers are invited to respond with more detailed information.

  2. nickmcalpin | | #2

    I was looking for this information myself. Luckily I am a Mechanical engineer and have access to finite element analysis code.

    My results are as follows.

    A nominal 2x10 (1.5x9.25) deflects .009 inches under a 300 kg centered point load with both ends of the beam fixed in all directions.

    An actual 2x10 (2x10) deflects .0064 under the same loading conditions.

    .0064/.009 = approx 71%

    Thus, the modern, smaller, nominal "2x10" is approximately 71% as stiff as an actual 2x10 of the same material.

    Invert this and you have that the real 2x10 is approximately 140% as stiff as the smaller beam.

    I hope this helps all.

  3. GBA Editor
    Patrick Mccombe | | #3

    This rough-sawn lumber span table comes from The Visual Handbook of Building and Remodeling by Charlie Wing. It's been published by several publishing houses, including The Taunton Press. My version was printed by Rodale Press in 1990.

  4. gusfhb | | #4

    The printed version of 'From the Ground Up' by Wing and Cole has everything you need and ought to be required reading. I use it all the time.

    An updated version, especially for energy matters would be very useful

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