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   boxfactory | Dec 17, 2022 05:34pm | #1

   In winter, would the refrigerant that travels to a minisplit be heated to a higher temperature than the water / glycol mixture in an air to water heat pump? If so, does this mean the air to water heat pump operates at a higher efficiency?

   I am new to learning about HVAC, which is likely leading to me using less than ideal terminology.

   Thanks for your help,
   Ben

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   nathan_iltis | Jul 25, 2024 10:30am | #3

   Hi Ben - Yes, the refrigerant traveling to the heat exchanger in a minisplit refrigerant-based heat pump is usually hotter than the water/glycol mix supplied by an air-to-water heat pump. However, these are not meaningful criteria to compare when trying to understand efficiency differences between the two system types.

   Typically 1:1 or 1:2 (meaning 1 outdoor unit and 1 or 2 indoor emitter heads) minisplit cold-climate heat pump systems and a cold-climate air-to-water heat pump such as Arctic perform with very similar efficiencies. They are both highly efficient systems. One key term here however is "cold-climate", because a manufacturer such as Mitsubishi sells units that are more optimized for cold temperatures and heating system efficiency, which are a bit more expensive (and more efficient) than their units which are more optimized for cooling and A/C.

   The 1:1 and 1:2 ratios are also important because maintaining high efficiency in refrigerant-based systems gets a bit more challenging when you add more minisplit "heads" or thermostat "zones" to a refrigerant-based system. Hydronic air-to-water systems do not face the same challenges because they have a central thermal storage "buffer" tank which allows the outdoor heat pump to run more efficiently and gives you the option of adding many thermostats without losing efficiency.

   I think you may have been getting at the idea that in air-to-water systems, a lower supply water temperature to a radiant floor or a wall-mounted or concealed hydronic fan coil DOES correlate directly to high efficiency. Typical operation temps are 100-120F. Arctic can reach a max of 131F in their flagship EVI line. supplying 100F water to a radiant floor instead of 120F is very doable and can result in about a 20% improvement in efficiency.

   I do not have direct details on how refrigerant temps effect efficiency but it is not something the homeowner or installer or designer can control for typically in mini-split of other refrigerant-based systems so I may be mistaken but I don't think it is important in this discussion.

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   NearCoastalBC | Jan 24, 2023 12:51am | #2

   Also new to heat pumps, but getting info slowly as if I move and do a new build I may not be allowed to use a NG hi-eff. boiler. Having cooling available is an added bonus, but I'm curious about ducting. Since heat rises, air from the heating cycle will of course rise from the floor ducts. But when it comes to cooling, cool air drops, so is it desirable that cool air be directed into ceiling vents?

   Also, what is the duct air velocity and noise in heat pump systems? Can they use mini fans in each duct, rather than just one big blower feeding the plenum like the old furnaces used to do? One thing I like about HW baseboard is that it is silent and not drafty, although I do have a large ceiling fan running slowly 24/7 to keep the air moving gently.