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EPDM to Asphalt Shingles Transition

edwardmatthews | Posted in General Questions on

EPDM transition to shingles and roof leak help

I have a 1:12 shed dormer on my house outside of Boston.  I recently had the shingle roof replaced, but left the EPDM dormer roof alone because it’s only 15 years old.  I installed closed-cell spray foam from the interior three years ago.

However, we had significant leaks in a recent storm.  Using an IR camera, but not yet doing any interior demo, it seemed to come from close to the ridge, maybe two feet from the outside wall edge.  I thought eliminating the ridge vents when reroofing would fix this problem, but I guess I was wrong.

(1) Is this the correct ridge transition for a low-slope EPDM roof and asphalt shingles, given that I have a “hot roof” now?  I’m a bit concerned about snow buildup and then melting up against the ridge shingles, even without a ridge vent.

(2) Looking closer, the edge of the EPDM is detaching from the metal edge termination.  Is this a more likely leak path than from the ridge?  I don’t see any obvious holes elsewhere, and the nearby horizontal seam seems to be in decent condition.

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  1. Expert Member
    MALCOLM TAYLOR | | #1

    edwardmathews,

    Spots where I would expect that roof to leak:

    - At the ridge where the asphalt shingle ridge cap is nailed though into the membrane on the 1/12 roof.
    - At the ridge cap, where rather than flashing the transition, they just ran a shingle over the edge of the dormer.
    - At the chimney, which looks to have a reverse lap at the ridge-cap.
    - At the edge of the membrane, which should either overhang the gable flashing, or be lapped by it.
    - Behind the sawed off fascia. I'm having trouble seeing how they could have adequately flashed the side-wall of the dormer with that fascia there.

    1. edwardmatthews | | #3

      Thanks! It's looking like you may be right about multiple of these suggestions, unfortunately.

      For the ridge cap transition, do you mean metal flashing as Akos suggests in #2, or something else?

      Here are some more pictures in case it's helpful, including the chimney. There does seem to be a smaller leak coming from around the chimney, with a larger one on the outside edge where the pictures are taken.

      The roofers clipped the fascia on their own for this project, which at the time I was okay with because it looked easier to prevent birds and other critters from hiding in the dark corner. The step flashing continues up under the now fascia-less section, but I'm not sure what's happening at the top around the ridge.

      1. Expert Member
        MALCOLM TAYLOR | | #5

        edwardmathews,

        It does look like they did alright flashing the sidewall. That spot at the top where it meets the main roof is what draws my eye as very suspect.

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    Akos | | #2

    Also you can't have anything asphalt touching EPDM. I had some temporary I&W over a strip of EPDM and it turned into mush in about 6 months.

    You need those ridge shingles pulled, a metal ridge cap put on. Depending on the slope, the metal will need to be adhered to the existing EPDM with a strip of EPDM flex flash.

    This is for torchdown to EPDM transition, but pretty much the same thing for you:

    https://www.jm.com/content/dam/jm/global/en/commercial-roofing/Data%20sheets/JM%20EPDM%20Data%20Sheets/RS-8147_JMEPDMMetalMembraneFlashing.pdf

  3. gusfhb | | #4

    As Akos said, no touchy EPDM with shingles
    What I did in a somewhat similar situation was I nailed a 1x at the peak of the rubber roof so when we glued it down over it there is a ridge to stop wind blown rain. The cap shingles were nailed down over ridge vent. Even if you don't need ridge vent, it keeps the shingles off the EPDM.
    When I had an asphalt roof running down onto a piece of EPDM flat roof on a previous house, I ran the EPDM well up the roof then plywood on top, spaced up, so the shingle ended in drip edge, again, up above the EPDM, never touching

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